Feb 20, 2024
This week on the podcast we welcome Thomas English from Trek Travel to discuss the Provence to Girona gravel tour. Thomas shares his personal experience growing up in the Camargue National Park and how he discovered his love for cycling. He discusses the inspiration behind the Provence to Girona tour and the unique landscapes and cultural experiences that participants can expect. Thomas provides a detailed overview of the nine-day trip, highlighting the diverse terrain, cultural differences, and the sense of adventure that comes with gravel cycling. He emphasizes the importance of local expertise and the immersive experience that Trek Travel provides for its guests.
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Thomas English is a guide for Trek Travel, a company that specializes in guided cycling trips. Based in Lyon, France, Thomas grew up in the Camargue National Park and developed a love for cycling at a young age. He has a background in field medical engineering but decided to pursue his passion for cycling and guiding. Thomas has been working for Trek Travel since 2019 and has guided numerous trips, including the Provence to Girona gravel tour.
In this episode, Craig Dalton interviews Thomas English from Trek Travel about the Provence to Girona gravel tour. Thomas shares his personal experience growing up in the Camargue National Park and how he discovered his love for cycling. He discusses the inspiration behind the Provence to Girona tour and the unique landscapes and cultural experiences that participants can expect. Thomas provides a detailed overview of the nine-day trip, highlighting the diverse terrain, cultural differences, and the sense of adventure that comes with gravel cycling. He emphasizes the importance of local expertise and the immersive experience that Trek Travel provides for its guests.
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[00:00:00] - (): Craig Dalton: Hello, and welcome to the
gravel ride podcast, where we go deep on the sport of gravel
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unlock all the knowledge you need to become a great gravel
cyclist.
**** - (): Yeah. This week on the podcast, we welcome Thomas
English from Trek, travel to the show. To talk to us about a new
gravel tour they're doing from Two Jarana. The trip looks
absolutely amazing. So super excited. To dig in with it and learn
more about it and how it came to be. Truck travel since our last
conversation with them on the podcast. Has really gone deep on
gravel travel, building out several new trips this year, including
one in the black Hills of South Dakota. An ACIAR ago to the
Dolomites trip in Italy, as well as this To Jerome and a trip that
we're going to be digging into today.
**** - (): I had a great experience. In 2022 on my truck travel
trip to Jarana and was doing everything I could to join this trip
in April. I don't think this particular one's going to happen.
Because of some other commitments,
**** - (): . But I'm pleased to have this conversation with Thomas.
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**** - (): Thomas, welcome to the show.
[00:03:17] - (): Thomas English: Hi, Greg. Thank you for
hosting me.
[00:03:19] - (): Craig Dalton: We're dealing with the
challenges of international video conversations today with you in
France and me in California.
[00:03:28] - (): Thomas English: Absolutely. Long
distances.
[00:03:32] - (): Craig Dalton: Um, I'm excited to get into
this conversation with you. Uh, I've been a big fan of Trek's
commitment and enthusiasm around gravel travel.
**** - (): And when my buddy Rich hit me up and told me about this
Provence to Girona trip, I was like, I got to talk to someone about
this. This sounds awesome.
[00:03:52] - (): Thomas English: It's epic. So the, the idea
of the trip came in about two years ago now. Uh, I was involved in
the design because my roommate is actually a trip design
coordinator, if you want the truth.
**** - (): So the two of us got this whole thing running and it's
going to be an epic journey.
[00:04:11] - (): Craig Dalton: I love it. I can't wait to
talk more about it, but to set the stage, I just want to learn a
little bit more about you. We established that you're currently
living in France. But where did you grow up and how did you
initially find the bike?
[00:04:24] - (): Thomas English: So long story short, uh, I'm
actually based in Lyon, France right now. So closer to the French
Alps, about two and a half hours away from the sea. I actually grew
up in the Camargue National Park, which is where the The Rome River
creates a delta. It's famous for mosquitos, flamingos, and, uh,
bulls, if you want the whole truth.
**** - (): And it's very flat, so cycling wise, it gets pretty
boring pretty quickly. But the scenery is worth it. And if you're
beginning with gravel, it's definitely a good spot to start.
[00:04:58] - (): Craig Dalton: And, you know, obviously
gravel, we can argue about how long gravel has been around, but did
you initially start as a road rider
[00:05:05] - (): Thomas English: or a mountain biker?
**** - (): That's a very tricky question, because I think when,
when you start cycling for me, it was, it was, you know, the first
key to freedom my parents gave me. I was fortunate enough as a kid
to grow up on a boat. So I think I grew this lack of, uh, you know,
freedom for a little while being being like. On a boat with with
parents.
**** - (): It sounds very spoiled, but we were adventuring in a
different way. It's more swimming and and canoeing out to places.
And so as soon as we got back to lands, the bike was this this real
weapon of freedom and this tool to go adventure and come back in
late and get told by my mom. But I think, yeah, it was one bike
does it all and I think I, I mainly did mountain biking as a
teenager because it was a thing, you know, it was the era of
downhill and free rides as they used to call it.
**** - (): It's taken a whole new shape nowadays and gravel came
naturally because we, we can do it in many ways. And especially as
a company, I think it's, it's a trend and it's very much growing at
the moment and it's the perfect. You know, where to explore a new
region and mainly you can just get off the roads and go to, you
know, access quieter places and places you, you'd wish to go on
foot, but you can actually do it with the bike and it hasn't got to
be too much of a distance on the road.
**** - (): Yeah, 100%.
[00:06:23] - (): Craig Dalton: It sounds like you grew up
with quite an adventurous spirit. How did you find your way into
guiding for Trek?
[00:06:29] - (): Thomas English: I started working for Trek
for in, in 2019. So this is my sixth season, which I travel and.
It's an, it's an amazing place to, to work, uh, good people, you
know, the, the support and logistics from A to Z, uh, whatever you
get on the guest experience, when you call up the office or the
guest services, uh, we feel on, on in the field and feeling that
supports from, from, you know, a guide in the field, you don't
really find that anywhere else.
**** - (): So that's one, one thing to mention. Uh, but I, I, I
kind of fell into it because I have a friend that was a guide a
year before me. That was the one of the first reasons. Um, but
mainly because I was working as a field medical engineer, uh, in
the previous life. And there is a moment where you want to follow
your dream.
**** - (): And I was out there adventuring in the mountains every
weekend. So I realized I could do it for a living and take people
with me, which is what I care for.
[00:07:31] - (): Craig Dalton: Amazing. I feel like. It might
be interesting to hear, what is the life of a guide like? Do you,
do you ride all year round and guide all over the place?
**** - (): Or are you located in France and you only ride trips
in
[00:07:46] - (): Thomas English: France? So that's a
fascinating question that we often get from people on the trips,
from people outside the trips, from friends and family, or from the
first newcomer that you, you, you meet in a, in a party in an
evening, for instance. I, I think the life of a guide is is very
much full on.
**** - (): It's a season is very long in cycling and it's getting
longer. Uh, it's some people would rather do it as a very seasonal
thing, like riding through the nice period in the, when it's warm
and you can ride in shorts and then there'll be a ski instructor in
the winter. So. Each guide kind of have their, their own algorithm
to, to go about it.
**** - (): Uh, for me, it's, it's a full time commitment and then I
get a bit of time off, uh, in the winter months to go travel and
discover new places. And it kind of sticks to my, my character and
my way of doing things. I like to go work hard, play hard in many
ways, even though that sounds, uh, Very, very general, it's full
season and then a bit of time off to, to go and relax and recover
and adventure some more, but it is, it is a lifestyle more than a
career.
[00:08:56] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah. What does that look like
for you, Thomas? So are you guiding road trips into Spain one week
and then gravel trips in, in France? How does, how does the year
end up playing out? So
[00:09:07] - (): Thomas English: at the end of the year, when
-you've already guided a little bit, which I travel, you submit a
survey to the favorite regions or your favorite regions, your top
five.
**** - (): I think it is, um, places you'd rather you'd like to go
guide. And if you're lucky, you're going to get a few of those
pics. Um, but for the, for the main part, you're, you're assigned
to a region for a duration of time. It can go from, um, A couple of
trips to a whole bunch of different trips in that region.
**** - (): We have regions that also cover multiple trips. If I
take Provence, for instance, we're actually running three trips out
of there and nearly a fourth with the gravel, which will be leaving
Provence and going all the way to Spain and sorry, Catalonia and
Girona. And so. That's, that's more or less how it operates.
**** - (): You're assigned and then you, you'll guide multiple
weeks in a row. We try and we try and do maybe three weeks in one
week off as a rhythm.
[00:10:04] - (): Craig Dalton: Got it. Yeah. And my, my
experience with the team in Girona was that, that between the two
guides, they would switch off between time in the van. And time
riding. It wasn't lost on me that you've got it as a guide.
**** - (): You've got to be motivated and enthusiastic every day.
You're out there on the bike with guests as a guest. If we're
tired, if we're grumpy, we can suffer and let you know it. But I
imagine as a guide, you're really there to elevate the spirit and
never share if you're down. Are there days on the bike when you're
guiding that you're just tired?
[00:10:41] - (): Thomas English: Oh, yes, absolutely. And,
but you don't show it. I think it comes from, from an inner part of
you, it's, that's what I said by it's a lifestyle more than a
career. It's, um, we always swap with, uh, our co guides. Uh, so
one of us is going to be in the support van, one of us is going to
be on the bike. It takes different shifts, uh, depending on the
trips and the parameters.
**** - (): Uh, but yes, you, you're always on, we're always on top
of things. And. You know, a lot of people on the outside of the job
think that we are the fittest cyclists out there and you've got to
be an absolute athlete. You, you get the training for sure. And,
and some guys are more into cycling than others. Uh, but the, the
real, the reality behind it is we take care of people no matter
what.
**** - (): Yeah.
[00:11:24] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah. Yeah. I imagine that's,
you know, I see this. All over the place, right? You have people
who are innately just skilled at being good spirited, being
uplifting and having had that experience with truck travel and that
Girona gravel tour definitely saw that like it was more about the
experience.
**** - (): None of the riders were trying to show how strong they
were as athletes, although clearly they were, they were really
there to just make sure we were having a great time. And that's
what I think is so great about traveling on bike as a guest and
gravel travel in particular. You just have a team around you whose
sole job it is to not only find the best rides and routes for you,
find the best cafes, create the best overall experience.
**** - (): And it is, you know, it's obviously an investment taking
one of these trips, but there is a pretty massive return when all
you need to do as a guest is ride your bike all day.
[00:12:25] - (): Thomas English: Yes, and I'll double up,
I'll double up on that in a way that I think you come on a holiday
to be on a holiday and There is nothing more relaxing entertaining
Fulfilling as when you sign up and you just let go of everything
and you just have to enjoy it That's that's the main part is we
take care of all the rest the you know, the logistics It's not that
you're not necessarily capable of Of it, you know, I've, I've
caught myself going on multiple guided trips, whether it's hiking
or other activities, um, other than cycling and you, you, you
appreciate having the, the local expertise, you know, it, it might
not be something that's, that's in the itinerary, you know, but,
but your guides might know so much about the geology, the plants,
or even just the best cafe, because that's where they cycle past
every morning and that's their local, their local terrain or their
backyard.
**** - (): And that's where it makes the whole, the whole world of
difference. You. Okay. The impact of, of that vacation or of that
experience on your life is so different when you actually witness
it with someone local and you share it with friends. Yeah, a
[00:13:32] - (): Craig Dalton: hundred percent. I want to
jump into the Provence to Girona gravel bike tour.
**** - (): This is very much a tour because it's point to point the
experience I had with track out of Girona. We stayed in a single
hotel and we explored routes in every single direction, which was
fantastic. But as I've said before on this podcast, there's
something about point to point travel or touring or what have you
that is incredibly special.
**** - (): So how did the idea for the Provence to Girona gravel
route come up? And then we can dig into some of
[00:14:08] - (): Thomas English: the details. Okay, so that
also refers to a question you previously asked on what does the
life of a guide look like? Well, to be quite frank if I'm not
guiding a trip with people on board I'm usually bikepacking and
I've got the packs all set up on the gravel bike and I'm sleeping
outside Which sounds ridiculous to a lot of people in on this
planet But it's actually one of the most freeing experiences you
you can get out there for yourself.
**** - (): It doesn't have to be far It's sometimes just right out
right out your front door and you just roll to a place you haven't
checked out or you haven't seen and It is the most it is the most
freeing thing and you're also you feel very Self sufficient it
teaches you a lot of different things and skills where you have to
approach people and places Uh, but the main idea behind this trip
from Provence to Girona, and we named it that way because there,
there are two places that actually ring, uh, or resonate to
cyclists, uh, whether they're roadies or already very much
accomplished gravel riders.
**** - (): Uh, it was the first point to point that we, we were
thinking of putting in the book. It's based on a race called, a
race route called La Poco Loco that came together, I think in 2019.
And it's very tracks since then, but that's what really inspired me
initially, and I had written portions of it in a, in a few bits and
pieces and on different holiday times.
**** - (): And this was the perfect, this was a perfect opportunity
to actually start from one point, go all the way and see if we can
actually make it work with hotels and accommodations and places to
check out. It
[00:15:46] - (): Craig Dalton: sounds super special. What is,
I imagine over the course of that Provence to Girona, the terrain
is going to vary quite wildly.
**** - (): Can you talk through a little bit and if it's helpful to
talk through the various nine days, just what is gravel like in
Provence and how does it change over the course of those nine
days?
[00:16:09] - (): Thomas English: So I can give you a global
overview of of the trip if you want not to go into too much detail
because nine days is It's quite epic and and you do see a lot But I
do want to say that I grew up in in the area where we begin the
trip in so, you know I remember I remember being in in my youth in
my young age and teenager and adventuring here and there at the
weekends And putting all these things together in the culture of
the South, because it's, it's a very strong culture in the South of
France.
**** - (): And this, the, the, the landscape had me stop and take
many pictures. Of a place that I've, you know, I've grow, I've, I
grew up in. You, you get accustomed to seeing these things on a
regular basis. And coming back to it a few years later, it stops
you. You're, you're blown away by the beauty of summer's
scenery.
**** - (): And when I say that, it's on the first day, for
instance, We will start the trip and we'll greet everybody, uh,
right by the, a bit of a, it's a, it's a swampland where it's
famous for ornithology for birdwatching, uh, just south of
Montpellier. So imagine a huge city, all buzzling and whistling and
noisy and, you know, just the heart of a big city and you just
escape, we greet you in this, you know, you just come off the train
or come out of the airport and we greet you in this really quiet
bird sanctuary.
**** - (): With a nice French buffet, you know, proper Provence,
there might be some rosé involved for those who, who want to start
with that, um, giving you a few, a few bits and knots about the
culture and the area you're in and throughout those first 60Ks,
which is quite a, quite a bit for a first day, you get to see
everything, so much variety from, from the sea, the sea, the salt
flats to. The hills, a bit. Of vineyards here and there and the,
and the pine forests.
**** - (): I mean, you, you, I can't wait to see the smiles on
people's faces when we reached the hotel after the first day.
Sounds
[00:18:05] - (): Craig Dalton: like an amazing start.
[00:18:06] - (): Thomas English: It is. It is true. So as I
was saying, we, we did the Reese, we did the research with my
roommates. Who's a, who's a true design coordinator and she's not
from the region, but both of us were like kids.
**** - (): And you know, it's, it's the joy and the accomplishments
of bringing something together that actually works out. And to see
the, the, the versatile, the, how versatile the, the. The bike
actually is on different terrains. You, you ride a bit of, you
know, open forest road to single track, um, and all this on the,
under the blue Provence skies, because, you know, it is subject to
a bit of wind from the north, um, let her mountain or the missile
for the East as you go.
**** - (): It's, it's, it's a superb. It's just an area of France
that is very underestimated because it's. It's usually some some
somewhere between a place you just drive through to get to Spain or
you just go to Montpellier or like a few places on the coast, but
people don't really stop on these on these areas.
**** - (): So. We've got these beautiful barren landscapes in, in
some part of the trips that are just untouched, not no cyclists.
You just, it's just epic adventure.
[00:19:15] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah, I think that's, what's
mind boggling to me when I think about this trip is just the, the
versatility of the gravel bike, that's easy to maybe to conceive of
a point to point ride on a road bike.
**** - (): And you're sort of following a map, but traveling onto
these single track trails and just kind of getting off the beaten
path just adds this additional layer of. Intrigue and joy. I think
on each day's ride. And I
[00:19:40] - (): Thomas English: think we we call, you know,
the inner child in our in ourselves. Um, I think a lot of cyclists
will refer to that.
**** - (): But I think gravel in many ways has a bit of an
adventurous spirit. And you might agree with me on that one. But,
you know, it kind of takes you out there. You're not on a on a on
the road. You might be leaving civilization for a little bit. We've
designed this trip so we can always access you. The route in many
points, but for the most part, you know, the whole stress of having
traffic and cars around you that you might have on on on the road
or uncertain of our road trips, even though we do take very quiet
roads there.
**** - (): It's it's in existence. You won't have, you know. Any
vehicles on most of our itineraries because we're, we're mainly on,
on gravel and yes, like from, from one place to the next, you'll,
you'll see us, uh, a part of the landscape that not many people get
to witness or get to see because it is completely different
experience from sitting in the car or riding on the road than being
on those single tracks.
**** - (): Yeah,
[00:20:48] - (): Craig Dalton: absolutely. What are the next
handful of days have in store for riders?
[00:20:53] - (): Thomas English: So yes, I, I touched base on
the, on the first one. Sorry, I was, I was kind of selling that
first day because. It blew our minds. So I think I like I said, I
can't wait to see people smiles as we roll into the first hotel. It
is a point to point.
**** - (): So we are going to be changing hotel every day apart
from our fifth day where we'll have a proper rest day. Um, but the
first day we, we leave Montpellier where, where it's, it will be
more of a greeting point. Beautiful scenery on those first 60 K's
through like what I've said before, the difference. Uh, see.
**** - (): Salt flats, single track, into the forest, up in the
hills, back in through into vineyards. And we, we have a hotel a
little bit on the outskirts of the city. Where the French rugby
team has actually been hosted for the trainings, if you, if you
want a little, the little hints there. But so, no rugby match on
that first evening.
**** - (): The next day we kind of sneak out through a secret
passage that follows a river out of the city. And we're heading to
one of my favorite places in France, which is called Le Lac de
Salagout. Uh, the Salago Lake famous spot for kite surfers and for
geologists because the soil is a bit of an ochre red. It very much
has the color of grapes, so not to bring it to too close to wine,
but that's my French side.
**** - (): Um, you cross the hills and you arrive on this beautiful
blue emerald lake with this, this red kind of, you know, tar
looking gravel. It makes a mess of the bikes and it makes them look
very adventurous all of a sudden because they get covered in this
little red, red dust. Uh, but it's an epic scene to arrive and
we're staying in the village.
**** - (): That's a little bit the outskirt of it in the national
park called Moore's and it's very famous for its, um, Dolom,
Dolomitic, uh, rock formations where erosion is just left. These
huge limestone columns, uh, beautiful maze of, that was just shaped
by nature, uh, and our hotel is, is nestled into that, into that
rock face.
**** - (): And there'll be a nice little pool to, to relax after,
after a big day on the bike. So, like I said, we go a little bit
further up north after the first day where we were actually
stationed by the sea. On the third day, we leave that beautiful
area in the quiet morning, and we hit the hills. There'll be a bit
of climbing in the morning.
**** - (): And for those who have got an idea of what Provence
looks like, or the whispers you've heard of the adventures down
there, we're going to be going through a few stone villages. Very,
very French. You might come across a You know, to a dish vu like
these iconic French cars or markets. Or we can stop and have CA
coffee and a cafe, uh, to cross the plains from these hilly
villages or hilly, hilly based villages all the way to a bigger
town, again called busier.
**** - (): Which is famous for multiple reasons, but we're, we'll
have a nice sit down lunch in a very retro French cafe where people
are playing Pétanque just outside, uh, in front of a lock, you
know, we sat there and all the locals were coming around to chat us
up. So, you know, it might take a bit longer than scheduled.
**** - (): Don't be in a rush there. It is a big day. Uh, but
that's, that's kind of the idea, um, is to actually enjoy the
ambience and the culture as you're, you're crossing these
landscapes, not just whizzing past.
[00:24:23] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah. Taking an opportunity to
enjoy the riding as well as the culture seems like the reason you'd
be there for sure.
[00:24:32] - (): Thomas English: A hundred percent. And so
that brings me on to the fourth day. So Béziers is a bit, a bigger,
a bigger town. We, we have lunch on the outskirts of it, by that
lock, as I, as I presented. And there, there are famous pieces of
architecture, if, if this is what you enjoy in, in the French
history. We are going to go past some very impressive monuments
that I can state later.
**** - (): Um, and we follow what we call Le Canal du Midi. Which
is a, a French icon. A lot of people, a lot of French people would
actually go down there on holiday, uh, either rent a boat or kayak
up and down this canal. Um, it is, it is a beautiful piece of
French architecture and the waterways in France are famous in the
history of, of the country for transporting goods, you know, the
different wars and battles, why was it separated here or there, uh,
the historical borders as well.
**** - (): But this, this third day finishes. Back back on the
coast again after following this famous canal and we'll be heading
we'll be heading the next day. And getting closer to the, to the
Pyrenees to go to a place called Billister after crossing a few
national parks and famous birdwatching areas again, um, we'll,
we'll be climbing a little bit more than the previous days.
**** - (): The third day and the fourth day are quite, quite. Big
days on the bike. So it's not for the faint hearted, but we'll
support everybody, you know Croissant takes you a long way as they
say and there's one thing in France for sure is you can't you can't
go hungry Because once you've done this little, you know section of
gravel you come across this little village and there'll be a bakery
and for sure You know the smell of it everything just kind of
entices you to get down there and grab something to go So we'll
make sure you try the good ones And there are some specialties of
the South that are proper to the South, um, that you can only find
in the bakeries down there and we'll make sure you try them.
**** - (): Um, and you know, that fuels the climb up to this little
village of Belista, which used to be one of the main points of
interest in, in this area for, uh, white wine growing. Um, they,
they still do. It used to be a massive cooperative and we are
staying in a, in a hotel called Le Riberac. It is. It is something
out of this world.
**** - (): We were astonished by what they've done with this eco
lodge. You might be sleeping in a wine tank. Yes, we are sleeping
in a wine tank. Um, there are spa and, you know, different
treatments you can do all around the grape over there. It is one of
a kind. It is a place that was designed by two amazing
architects.
**** - (): The owners is an amazing couple that we got to meet and
had the pleasure to have a nice glass and a sit down conversation
with. And they really have, you know, an ambience about this, this
whole environment that they created, the team that they put
together. They still have a part of, um, the cellar that is
functional, that, uh, gathers most of, uh, the winemakers of the
area as a cooperative.
**** - (): And the wine, the wine is delicious down there. The, the
riding up will maybe annoy a few, maybe. make others enjoy the
adventure twice as much. Um, you know, we all come at a different,
at a different place when it comes to climbing on a bike, but
that's a good place to finish day four solid before a rest day.
**** - (): And we are, we are entering what we call peak at that,
which was the scene of multiple combats between, uh, what used to
be the Spanish empire and France at a time. And, you know, these
perched castles up on the hills, this limestone rock face and this
little tower up top with a, with a, with a Catalan flag and the
border changed so many times in the past, you know, hundreds of
years or decades that it's, it's just very interesting to see the
cultural changes throughout the trip because you go from a very
Provence, French, uh, south, south of France part with all its
influences and its culture.
**** - (): And the food evolves as you go down the coast, getting
closer to Spanish influence and, you know, the way people talk and
behave and, oh, it's just, it's just superb. You get to see that
even with a foreign eye, I think. Yeah, it's so
[00:28:54] - (): Craig Dalton: interesting to see and hear
that not only will the terrain change, but you'll get these subtle
changes in culture across the nine days, uh, changing from the
south of France culture to the Catalan culture at the end.
[00:29:11] - (): Thomas English: Absolutely. And if, and if
you've been to Gerona, as I've heard you, you've experienced that,
that part of the culture and, and, you know, cycling. Cycling is
international. It's, it is a universal language. Um, uh, there is a
bike in every country you go to, and that's, that's not a lie,
that's the truth. But the, the culture that a com, you know, comes
with it.
**** - (): Maybe the French and the Spanish or the French and the
Catalan don't necessarily see the bike. In the same way, you know,
maybe the French will use it as a commuter to go get their fresh
baguettes from the bakers in the morning, whereas Catalan people
will use it to go from, you know, place to place or there's always
a different use for it.
**** - (): But this, this, this area we're going to is not famous
for, you know, holiday and it's not overcrowded. We're really
taking you. On, on the unpaved. Uh, this is a proper adventure. Um,
we're taking all these, these detours to get to Ballista, um, which
is definitely, definitely one of my, one of my crushes for, um, for
this trip, because we'll have a rest day in that little
village.
**** - (): We'll probably have, Awesome activities to go enjoy off
the bike for those who want to. You also have the opportunity to,
you know, relax because we do come, we do cover between 350
kilometers and 400 kilometers over the first four days. It is a
pretty. High level trip, we, we classify as avid. So not to be
intimidated by it.
**** - (): It does require quite a bit of, you know, physical
preparation and a good level of, of writing, uh, but the, but the,
the technicity of the gravel stays stays very accessible in many
ways. And it's all about how, if you're okay with adventuring the
whole day on the bike, you'll, you'll enjoy this trip very much the
same as we did my roommates.
**** - (): Um. Uh, actually used, uh, the money plus, which is the
assist version of our gravel bike and she absolutely loved it. And,
you know, we have very different levels of cycling, the 2 of us,
but we kept it together and, you know, it's, it's just very
complimentary. You get to enjoy the adventure together. So a big
rest day on day 5, uh, to recover from, you know, 4 days of
adventuring already.
**** - (): Uh, there's a pool at the hotel. It's an eco lodge. So
they have all these amazing green certifications. We, we do a great
job at Trek Travel at building relationships with the people we
work with, because I don't see us as a big tour operator where we
just walk in, you know, give our standards and, and then, you know,
move on to the next season or go somewhere else next season.
**** - (): We do build these relationships, and I think you feel it
on trip with us. If you've traveled with us before you, you get to
appreciate. All the little details that we look into, we always try
and better, um, the experience, you know, when you, when you arrive
in Bethesda, I can tell you already, uh, Raquel, who's, uh,
actually from Madrid originally, who's just fallen in love. With.
That region.
[00:32:18] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah, that's so special as you
were mentioning before. I mean, one of the really. Exciting parts
of getting a guided tour is having these locals who can show you
the ins and outs of the local area and the hotspots and the great
riding. Phenomenal.
**** - (): So it sounds like at this point, you're up for arrest
day.
[00:32:39] - (): Thomas English: A hundred percent. Yes,
it's, it's just, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be, uh, you
know, not a resurrection, but it will be, it will be one of those
that you actually need to push on for sure.
**** - (): And, and we'll see if people are up for activities, but
I'm, I'm already guaranteeing a lot of people will stay back and
say, we need a day to just relax and recover and prepare for the
next four. But we, on the fifth day, we, we start tackling the
Pyrenees. , we'll be going through what we call the, this, this,
the circus. It's, um, it's this beautiful, uh, ochre lime, um,
formation, rock formation facing Canigou, which is one of the
highest peaks, uh, in this part of the Pyrenees. So you can, you
can see this, this dark mountain in the background, uh, slowly
getting closer.
**** - (): And you got all these different rock formations that
we're snaking through to and getting closer and closer to the
mountain will be staying in in an old, um, spa and treatment, um,
uh, facility area on on the night of day six, uh, to tackle called
Dallas on day seven. So. If you, if you, if you, if you've had too
much gravel over the, the first six days, don't, don't worry, we've
got you covered with a bit of pavement just to, just to rest, uh, a
little bit from gravel on, on day seven, because Col d'Arès is, is
definitely a stinger, as we call it in, in, in the area, um, it is
a bit of a steep one for 13, 13 kilometers, and we do have a
section of gravel for those who, who want to keep the trend going,
uh, it is, the base of it is this beautiful medieval town where,
uh, We'll offer a bit of a treat and, you know, a bit of a quick
snack if people want to start tackling the climb on a, on a, a bit
of a light bite.
**** - (): And once you reach the top, it can be, it can be two,
two rooms, two ambiance, as we say in French. Um, it can either be
beautiful and sunny or, uh, as it was when we were up there, uh,
last fall, quite miserable and windy. Uh, but the views on the
Pyrenees that you get from up there no matter what, are just.
**** - (): Absolutely stunning. And you descend all the way to this
Catalan village after crossing the border, um, called Camprodon,
famous for its beautiful stone arch bridge. And from there we are
in Catalonia. And the following day, day eight, takes us along the
Vies Verdes, uh, which is an old rail to trail, uh, all
reconverted.
**** - (): Um, it is part of the Pyrenees, if you've heard and
followed some of the racing across the Pyrenees. So we are going to
be, like, using some of these tracks. And it's beautiful, what we
call Catalan gravel. It's very nice, you know, small compact
limestone. It takes you all the way back into the Mecca of cycling
today, Girona.
**** - (): And you will definitely feel the Catalan countryside. If
you've been on the Girona gravel trip, you know what I'm referring
to, but you will, you will smell, you will, we say you will taste,
because usually you have a bit of stuff on your water bottle, and
we have the tips for you there, um, but it's, it's, you, you, you
get a second country on, on this trip and it hits you like, like a,
like a day ride.
**** - (): I don't know how to, how to say it in any other way. You
cross this border and, um, You're, you're, you're in Catalonia and
on these gravel paths, just, um, you know, flying along, along the
Via Verde, you, you enter Girona from, from the back, the back
door, and we are, we will be staying at Hotel Nord, which I think
you say that on our, on our trip there, um, which is the perfect,
you know, little nest in, into the city.
**** - (): And, yeah, I think it's a good, it's a good way to, to
go from, from the South of France, Provence, specific architectural
types, all the way into a completely different culture, a
completely different, you know, language, accents, influence, uh,
but you, you'll, you'll get to, you'll get to feel the connection
between the two countries, between that border that's been
distorted over the years and the centuries.
**** - (): Um, you'll, you'll definitely get that cultural aspect
of the trip because we, we felt it as we were, as we were prepping
it and we have a, a, a, a nice last day ride, uh, just to, to spend
the legs more, more or less, um, before we say farewell. And that's
a, a good way to, um, a good way to then spend a bit of time in
Girona if you want to stay in Girona or head towards Barcelona,
which is another great city to explore after Montpellier in
France.
**** - (): Um, this, yeah, this trip kind of starts and finishes
in, in two really cool points of interest as well, which is another
good reason to, to come and join this adventure.
[00:37:26] - (): Craig Dalton: Amazing. Anything else you'd
like to add about the trip before we go?
[00:37:30] - (): Thomas English: you know, you create some
pretty special bonds over nine days. Uh, sometimes it is over the
rest day. Sometimes it's straight off the first day. Um, we are
going to be riding these amazing checkpoints as it are seven top,
top end, uh, gravel bike. Um, 45 seat tires, which is very
comfortable, but after, after eight days of proper riding, you'll
probably be in need of a good rest and maybe sometime off the
bike.
[00:37:56] - (): Craig Dalton: What an amazing journey and
adventure. Thanks so much for coming on and telling us about this
trip. It sounds fantastic. I have a love for these point to point
adventures. And everything you've described from the terrain to the
cultural changes that you're going to experience over the nine days
makes this track travel trip.
**** - (): Sound amazing.
**** - (): Thank you for spending some time with us this evening.
And I look forward to seeing you in France at some point.
[00:38:24] - (): Thomas English: Thanks a lot.
[00:38:25] - (): Craig Dalton: That's going to do it for this
week's edition of the gravel ride podcast. I hope you enjoyed
learning more about that. to Gerona adventure that Trek travel has
in store for us. They've got some slots this year, I think starting
at the end of April.
**** - (): So head on over to track travel.com and check out some
of the photos to go with. Thomas's great. Narration of the
trip.
**** - (): I hope everyone's 20, 24 is filled with many, a gravel
adventure.
**** - (): Until next time here's to finding some dirt onto your
wheels.